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a letter to anime fans

This was written by my (male) best friend and posted on the forums. I felt I should post it around so it can be more widely read as it is something that really needs to be addressed.

,

Despite having a great time at this year’s Katsucon, there were two primary things that got in the way of myself and anyone else having a truly wonderful and annoyance-free time.

The first was the con staff; there is already a thread about them, so I’ll refrain from getting into that (despite the size of the problem).

The second, was the actual people attending Katsucon. Yes, I am talking to a great deal of you. There is nothing wrong with congregating in a centralized location with people who have the same specific interests as you. Talking to a group of people about how cool the last episode of Cowboy Bebop was or admiring a girl who’s cosplaying a perfect Serenity is fantastic.

But there is something that a GREAT number of people at the convention forgot, something that was such a major problem that it truly ruined what could have been a perfect convention: etiquette.

What happened to manners? If there was a single word to describe the fans at this year’s Katsucon, it would be rude. There were so many people who were lacking in any social graces that I often wondered if I should label myself as an “Anime Fan” anymore, if these are the type of people who identify themselves as such.

What happened to social conscience? Do people even think about how to treat others anymore, about what’s polite and civil?

Let me relate some events that led me to question my identity as an “Anime Fan.” I may not be able to speak for all the fans who attended (since it would be RUDE to do so), and I certainly do not indict the entire community as a whole. I just seem to have seen a majority of behaviors that were wrong for any one, in any culture and in any social situation.

So, here goes.

1. My friend and I were sitting at a restaurant (key note: RESTAURANT, not McDonald’s, not Wendy’s, a restaurant). We had waited for our table, and sat down and looked at menus. There were other people in the restaurant, and we kept our conversation down to a low level so we could converse normally and not disturb those around us. You know, like you do at a restaurant. Well, a group of con-goers came in, and without hesitation, sat themselves down at a table and began talking in raised tones. I don’t mean loudly, I mean shouting to each other. They pulled chairs from other tables to their own table and proceeded to ask why they didn’t have menus yet. The entire time my friend and I ate there, we could barely hear ourselves talk. Eventually, the obnoxious table left. Oh, and without leaving a tip, of course. Forgetting of course that people besides the con-goers were there, just people who go to this restaurant in the D.C. area. I was just glad we weren’t in cosplay anymore, so we weren’t associated with them (not that wearing cosplay around is bad, far from it. Ours just didn’t lend itself to going out in the cold).

2. Cosplayers certainly do it for the attention, to show off their handiwork and be proud at how close they could come to their favorite characters. However, they are NOT at the Con to entertain you or be at your complete beck and call. We enjoy getting our pictures taken, as that is one of the reasons we’re there in Cosplay. But understand that we ARE at the Con as human beings; there are things we want to do, panels we want to go to, movies we want to watch, etc. We will not drop everything we are doing to satisfy what YOU want. Have some courtesy.

Example: I was eating a hot dog and had removed a good deal of my armor, especially the gauntlets since I can’t actually hold anything in them. I was obviously eating food, and not in full cosplay at the time. I was taking a break from walking around for a good number of hours. Someone came up and asked if they could take my picture, so I told them I was eating currently and not fully dressed up, but if they would wait a moment I could finish and put everything back on. I was then told, “Never mind, you {eff}ing {a}-hole (expletives deleted, because I don’t know the Katsucon boards policy on swearing).” Apparently, since I could not obey his whims entirely at the moment, it was my fault. I’m the jerk here, for existing outside of his amusement. I wish I could say this was a singular time, but my friend and I both were in inconvenient situations where a photo was asked for and we asked for a little time and were both sworn at and attacked verbally. I know others who had the same occur to them.

My friend had her costume pulled on, breaking a bra strap in the process. I had my butt-cape-skirt thingy stepped on. I had my gauntlets sat on. People pulled, tugged, grabbed without restraint. People rubbed my tattoo without asking, wondering why it didn’t come off.

Someone slapped my {butt}. Ran by and just hit me. Who thinks this is proper behavior? I know I was wearing low-cut pleathery pants. I know I was very naked. Does that mean you can do whatever you want to me?

Ask people. Ask to do these things. Have some decency and respect people’s right for you to treat them well and not disrespect them in such ways.

Though, to be fair there were some truly understanding individuals. When my friend was getting money out of the ATM, someone waited patiently by until she was done to take a picture and we thanked her after for being so patient.

3. Certain panels do not lend themselves to people shouting things out. In fact, no panel, despite the levity some have, should have people just shouting whatever they want out. Almost all the time, it is either not related to anything that has been said or a quote from a show, or comic, or anime that is being said in an attempt to be funny. Let me get this out of the way first:

You are NOT funny. Quoting a line from the Simpsons loudly at a panel, giving your opinion on a matter or reminiscing with the guests as if you were old friends is NOT appropriate.

That’s another thing. Being friendly with the guests like the webcomic artists is all well and good. I doubt very much they want to be raised on a pedestal and worshipped, but they are guests and there is a certain respect you give guests. When you shout something out and there is an awkward silence as the guests wonder how to respond, that should be your clue that people have not come to hear YOU at the panel.

This is especially annoying at the Webcomic panels. You can joke around with them all you want in the Artists’ Alley, but if they are doing a panel specifically to let people know how the comic is drawn, ideas behind it, etc. do NOT ask things like, “What’s your favorite game now? What server do you play on in WoW? Have you played Half-Life 2, ‘cause it’s really sweet and the physics engine is great and-” At the MacHall panel, I had actual questions I wanted to ask Matt and Ian. I wondered about background art and how he gets rid of his line-work, but heaven forbid I ask actual questions relating to the panel and learn something from it. No, I have to deal with people interrupting me to shout out “ALL PRAISE TO CTHULHU!” or “SHOW US YOUR CITY OF VILLAINS CHARACTER!” Maybe if that was the name of the panel, “Shout Inane Bull-{crap} At Your Favorite Webcomic Artist!” then it would be understandable. As things stand, maybe you listen to what they say, or be polite and refrain from thinking your inane and random comments matter.

4. To go along on that note, have a little respect during the movies. I realize you want to get a good seat for whatever movie you want to see, but PLEASE do not come into the end of movies. You’re obviously not there to watch the movie, but if you do come in, please do not ruin it for others.

I was watching Lady Snowblood, a movie I had been meaning to see for a long time. Towards the end, people began filtering in to get good seats for SARS Wars. Never mind that people were still watching a movie. Past that, an entire group of people sat DIRECTLY in front of me. I am not tall by any stretch of the imagination, and had to bob and weave my head around to attempt to see what was happening. If that wasn’t enough, everyone coming in for SARS Wars felt it was fine to talk in loud voices to each other about anything they wanted, since obviously if they were not watching the movie, no one else was. Past that, people even began to shout things at the movie, making fun of it and ruining the ending for about the 40 people that had come to see Lady Snowblood.

This is a SEVERE lack of respect. I had been seated for an hour and twenty minutes, not knowing how the movie ended and completely engrossed in it. And then I had to have it spoiled for me by inconsiderate fans, who thought of nothing but themselves. Do not laugh at the movies I watch, do not yell your stupid and inane comments at it, giving yourself some small laughs while people around you have completely been offended you could think so little of the rights of others.

5. There are trash cans. USE THEM. Do not throw your Pocky Boxes on the Dealer’s Room floor simply because you can not find one immediately upon opening it. I had to wade through garbage practically to get to someone’s table. Also, crap just lay around the hotel. Be respectful to the staff please, they’re allowing us to be in their hotel and we should be courteous.

6. Along those lines, do not plop yourself down wherever you want. If you are tired, find a place off to the side to rest. If someone is talking to you, move aside so people can get by. The stairs are NOT a place to sit, no matter how much they lend themselves to that. Sitting wherever you want is disrespectful to anyone who may be trying to get somewhere. Avoid places of high traffic or places people might need to get to. Sitting in front of the ATMs is not recommended. Nor in a hallway. Nor in a chair in the game room, because you’re tired DESPITE someone maybe wanting to play the game you are sitting at while you watch your friend.

7. If you are on the second floor, walk. Unless you are overly large or have cosplay that is detrimental to lifting your legs (like mine was. Stupid armor. And I still walked from the 7th) then take the stairs. The elevators at the hotel weren’t very good and were very small, so they became a real problem. If someone is running late to the Masquerade, do not press the floor below them if you are capable of walking down the stairs a floor to make life easier for someone else.

That’s about all the big concerns I could notice. And since I’ve been going on for quite a while, they must have been some PRETTY big ones. There’s probably some other things that people might elaborate on further from here, but these are the things I noticed.

What happened Anime Fans? Are we really this bad? Can we not still be polite, courteous human beings or do we only think of ourselves, live only for the now and care not for what others do? This Con has really lowered my opinion quite a bit, and I am a bit embittered for it. We SHOULDN’T gather bad reputations, we shouldn’t make it so that hotels do not want to host us. If these pathetic actions are all that Anime Fans can muster, then I am truly saddened for us all.

cross posted at my personal journal and [info]dear_stupid

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[info]lizzyhamham

February 20 2006, 20:47:01 UTC 6 years ago

I love you.

My friend and I were discussing the fandom Saturday night. It's a shame really.

[info]taiki

February 20 2006, 20:55:59 UTC 6 years ago

Agreed for the most part.

Although something photographers and cosplayers should remember is that photography in the middle of the hall is incredibly RUDE. It stops up traffic in that hallway and makes a bad situation worse. Don't be surprised when someone who's too tired to care about other bits of etiquitte walks into your shot. There are better places to take photographs.

(This happend when I got into the hotel. Several hours of plane travel + finding out some of my stuff got smashed by TSA goons = not happy [info]taiki)

[info]divalea

February 20 2006, 20:56:09 UTC 6 years ago

You've haven't said anything I haven't said or thought, but maybe it'll mean something coming from someone of the "younger" generation of anime fans.

The butt-slapping and tattoo-rubbing demonstrate that I'm not wrong or crazy when I say things aren't improving for female fans just because there are more of them. It's to the point where I'm ready to tell every girl to carry something to not just defend herself, but to fight back.


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[info]divalea

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[info]ninja_demongirl

February 20 2006, 20:59:54 UTC 6 years ago

I have to agree compeletly on the elevators. I was on the sixth floor and cant really do stairs with my condition. Saturday night was just hell with ppl goin up and down and wanted to kick the person who got off on the first floor

During the masquerade to many ppl were shouting or saying something which interrupted the ppl on stage. This got annoying to the perrecorded stuff

[info]myselftheliar

February 20 2006, 21:02:29 UTC 6 years ago

Wow I didn't attend the masquerade but I can't believe people would shout things there. My roommates were in the masquerade and they worked very very hard on their skits (one won best in show!!) and I can't imagine how irritating and rude it must be to have people interrupting performances

[info]ebonystarfire

February 20 2006, 21:04:52 UTC 6 years ago

I totally agree with EVERYTHING you just said. I had fun at the panels I went to, when people weren't yelling random things and asking stupid questions like if the guest would marry them or something (What is WRONG with you people? Do you really think this is funny...or that they would say yes or something? I don't think you realize how creepy and/or annoying that is to them, and other people who are trying to ask REAL questions or for advice!). But the elevators were WAY too small, and even though they would be pretty packed I had people try to shove themselves in anyway, despite the discomfort of others already squeezed in there...I really don't like being squished against other people I don't know....and not knowing when the last time they bathed was or stuff like that. And the trash/people laying around the halls *was* a big problem too. There were several times when the person walking in front of me would just stop and start talking to someone and I couldn't get around them and then the people behind me trying to walk would sigh impatently and I thought to myself, well, what do you want me to do? I can't move if they don't. I think we're all old enough at this con to know to clean up after oursleves (and clean ourselves for that matter) and be respectful to others....and have common sense. Well, you would think anyway....but apparently not. What happened you guys?! Again as stated, it wasn't *everybody*, I met some nice people there with common sense, but...it was *alot* of people.

[info]mjp

February 20 2006, 21:54:54 UTC 6 years ago

Amen. AMEN. Someone needs to stand up at every con and read what you just posted to every major anime con. I remember at Ota '04 when I was walking across the footbridge to the Inner Harbor, someone yelled out "JEWISH WOLFWOOD!" from behind me. I turned to see who it was, and this girl with hair done up in braids and held up by wires, jutting out the sides of her head at 90-degree angles, jumped up and gave me a bearhug. I am a jumpy person by nature and I did NOT appreciate that at all. I nearly had a heart attack and smashed my prop.

She ran right off after that and she's lucky I didn't run into her for the rest of the con. I would have turned her in to the cops and pressed assault charges. -_-

The elevator thing extends to con hotels as well, especially offsite ones. Ota '05 at the Wyndham was PURE, UNBRIDLED HELL GOING ANYWHERE. -_-

[info]myselftheliar

February 20 2006, 22:13:51 UTC 6 years ago

I had at least three people at Katsu this year just jump up and grab me, completely disregarding that I was wearing fragile wings as Princess Tutu

On a side note, I was at Ota '04 and remember you. A+ cosplay, I think I took a picture (I was Generic Schoolgirl #117, it was my first big con). Though I wonder where Jewish Wolfwood would keep the guns, as a star of david is oddly shaped for such a thing.

[info]shinigami81383

February 20 2006, 22:08:13 UTC 6 years ago

Although a few of the things you mentioned I consider to be a little too much, the panel ettiquette for example I think is a little much especially if the calls don't massively detract from the panel. But I would like to add something VERY INPORTANT to the list of things above.

Alright I understand that most people go to a con as like a small vacation and to meet up with friends and what not. But by no means is a con meant to be a frat house where people can get as hammered as possible and wander the halls annoying people.

There are other people in the hotel that are not a part of the con and who do not understand some of the things that go on during the cons. Along with that I know for a fact some people don't like being stopped in the hallway by some one shoe'd drunkard wanting to ask me a question.

Also along those same lines... THE HOTEL IS NOT OWNED BY KATSUCON NOR DO THEY HAVE TO ALLOW THE CON TO COME BACK NEXT YEAR. With other people getting harrased and the building being damaged between parties and drunken idiots doing random damage throughout the build I wouldn't be surprised if they ask the con not to return, which really pisses me off because it was a really nice hotel (minus the shitty wi-fi and how bad my phone signal was) and it would suck if it's not there next year.

For anyone not aware of it the soda machine on the right wing of the hotel was damaged at some point during the weekend. I can easily assume it was a con goers attempt to be funny or done in some form of a drunken rage because it wasn't taking dollar bills or something.

Also to argue the point above about the staff, now I may not be the biggest fan of the security at Katsucon and just flat out can't stand a couple of the higher ups (Raven for one can do many an unpleasant thing for all I care) but PLEASE PEOPLE understand that the staff have a job that they have to do for the con whether they want to or not. I'm sure the girl or guy telling you to move out of the way does not like the fact that they have to but it is what they are told to do.

If anyone complaining was at KAtsucon last year you should all just proceed to remember how much worse it was and shut the fuck up. There has been an obvious changes and alot of new faces throughout the con so try to be a little more human and understand that they're not being paid for this and are still trying to do the best they can to balance con goers response to their actions with keeping the con from going out of control.

[info]takayla

February 20 2006, 22:46:20 UTC 6 years ago

I'm on the Katsu staff and would just like to thank you for what you've said. We do try really hard to do our best for the congoers. Most of us don't even get to actually see the convention because we're constantly working. I agree that there is always going to be a bad apple or two in a group of people, but we try to find them and fix the situation when it occurs. Most of us are just trying to do our best to do a good job. So, thanks.

[info]cxi162

6 years ago

[info]heldc

February 20 2006, 22:43:55 UTC 6 years ago

People were RUDE about the elevators. I was on one, there were 5 of us, plenty of room for more, and this couple purposely stood right at the door to discourage people. When the woman said to the guy 'we'll stand here and look intimidating so no one else gets on' I actually said 'there's plenty of room', but they replied 'and do you want that room to get filled up?' and someone else sat down and stretched their legs out, and said 'now that room is used.' at which point I decided it wasn't worth it bothering to point out how rude they were being.
Another time, I was waiting for the elevators on the 1st floor, to go up to the 6th, after having tried to go up the stairs and only made it up 2 flights before my bad knee started to hurt. (I'm fine walking down stairs, did almost the whole weekend, but up them just doesn't work.) When the elevator opened, it was full, fine, no problem, I can wait, but someone ON the elevator was so rude as to shout 'take the stairs!' Hypocrite. They're on the elevator, but telling people to take the stairs, assuming that their reason for being on the elevator is somehow more valid than anyone else's. *shakes head*
Tho, in all fairness, that was only two of many instances, and all the rest, people were perfectly nice, often squeezing in very close together to make as much room as possible.
And I was actually in the room waiting for sars wars, and ended up getting seats that resulted in our whole group not even being able to see the subtitles, because I waited until the credits on the previous movie started to roll before moving up to try and get seats. And even then, the seats we did get, people tried to sit down in without even asking if they were free, when they were being saved for people who were stuck in the crowd trying to move up from the back.
*shrug* I dunno, some people were rude, but a lot more people, at least 2:1, were perfectly polite, or even went out of their way to be considerate.

[info]mantisknight

February 20 2006, 23:44:20 UTC 6 years ago

Hmm... I know the wifi signals I can imagine them being overloaded with everyone trying to access the Internet at once *and considering some were people downloading large AMVs/videos (yes I was guilty of a few of them so I'll admit it)*. The stairs though were a pain a lot of times because of the large amount of traffic coming/going, and even those in costume.

I was on the 2nd floor, I took the elevators whenever I could, and when I Couldn't, I took the stairs.

The drunken people though damaging things is just retarded. I don't mind drinking and getting a bit toasty, but to the point where you damage property and equipment is just plain retarded. Especially since didn't that got us kicked out of a few hotels!?

Manners. Someone should add a list of that to the con booklets. Or even in the hallways.

I do try to be as considerate as possible, bu teven I get the rude people. It was odd... I felt there were more polite people here than in other cons I've been to. Sure there were a few rude people, but the ratio I encountered were far less.

[info]twiztidphoenix

February 21 2006, 01:23:02 UTC 6 years ago

Yea, I think I was actually walking near that machine when sum1 was doing sumthin 2 it... I know I was walking 2 a room and I just heard a really loud thud..
But yea I pretty much agree with everything U was saying.. I know for a fact that I did plop down on 1 side of the stairs though, and I feel that as long as i'm not in any1's way, I should be able 2 plop down 2 one side or another, as long as I'm not in the middke blocking sum1's walking space

Geez, a merchant was telling me that Katsocon was supposed 2 be there for the next 2 years, I wonder if its going 2 make it there 2 more years now...

[info]miss_lumpy

February 21 2006, 02:44:48 UTC 6 years ago

I agree completely. This con really stood out as being really rude, and I'm really glad that someone brought attention to that.

[info]nightravyn

February 21 2006, 03:33:54 UTC 6 years ago

Coming here from a link from the Applegeeks webcomic...

I've been going to cons for over 10 years and I can tell you this is nothing new. However the amount of non-mannered seems to grow over the years. Nor is it regulated to anime fandom. Sci-fi, Fantasy, Comic, Gaming, Horror - they all have more than their fair share of rude and ill-mannered people. I could say something about age and how the younger fans seem to have more than their fair share of the rude people, but that's being unfair. Rudeness comes in all ages. ;)

At one point, fandom was kept quiet in a corner of society, and everyone was nice to one another because they were all "fringe" and there was safety in numbers. Fans were estatic to see one another and exchange thoughts and ideas, as well as baser comments. ;) The more that fandom became acceptable to society, the more they ingrained themselves as "not a bunch of freaks", the cooler it became to be part of that group, that's when I really noticed an upswing in rudeness.

The regular con I attend is DragonCon in Atlanta. It's large, almost to the point of being uncomfortable, and is very very insane. I've seen people be incredibly helpful and nice, and I've seen the most stupid behavior known to man. It's amazing how many people seem to think that because they are in a hotel designated as a "con" hotel, never mind that it is a very nice expensive one, gives them the right to treat is worse than their own home. Then they treat all other people around them as less than they would their own family members.

Me? I think it's not part of being a convention. I think it's basic human societial stupidity. Just ask anyone who works in a mall store and has parents drop their children off for 3 hours to be babysat by the store workers. (Yes, someone tried to do that to me back when I worked retail. I was cursed at for not allowing them to. My manager gave them an invitation to the world and asked them to not shop there again. Just imagine the lawsuit waiting to happen!)

[info]albireo

March 7 2006, 10:16:07 UTC 6 years ago

WORD. WORD. WORD.

I work in an EBGames in a mall... christ almighty. Are we retail or babysitters? >/

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[info]labyrinth1n3

February 21 2006, 22:28:49 UTC 6 years ago

Otakon is much better actually. i have never had a problem with staff at Otakon.

People cursed at each other, dissed the costumes, and even spit on the damn floors.

As I left the Cosplay some random girl insulted me for no apparent reason. It was rude and she was just kinda standing there alone. It was just plain rude and I have no idea why she was even there.

[info]everyinchofme

February 21 2006, 05:24:32 UTC 6 years ago

I didn't really have any problems with people being considerate (outside of my hotel room), but I did see some of the issues that were brought up. I have had people mess with my costume before or hug me without permission.

I ultimately think it's a matter of getting people to be more considerate or understand of what's appropriate behavior.

[info]brighid_9393

February 21 2006, 05:52:43 UTC 6 years ago

You know, people these days are not taught how to be considerate of others. I know I sound like an old fart, but it's true. Young people these days just don't have a lot of respect, and 99% of the time, they learned the crap from their parents. I was getting out of an elevator today at the hospital, and to my knowledge, if a person is coming OUT of someplace, such as a bus, door or elevator, THEY have the right-of-way. These people just shoved right past me, and when I said, 'excuse me!' they ignored it. AND, there was a little girl with them. Guess her manners will be no different. And if someone EVER grabs or slaps my butt, not only will I turn around and slap them, I will inform someone in authority. No matter how you are dressed, you are not some inanimate ojbect to be touched, slapped, or rubbed because some other person likes it. Screw em! Surely there are security staff at cons to kick those people out.

[info]yduras

February 21 2006, 15:31:23 UTC 6 years ago

Ahh, elevator manners

I know what you mean. I pointed out to someone with the elevators that "It's like the subway -- you have to let the people get off before you get on." and got back a snarled "Yeah, well this isn't the subway." I gave up on explaining that it's not even about courtesy, really, it's about basic spatial geometry!

[info]gackutoshiya

February 21 2006, 07:46:50 UTC 6 years ago

the elevators did suck, at one point saturday night there was actually a group of girls just busting a chill in one elevator in the room wing of the hotel, sitting around with there crap all over the floor of it(which in no way made me feel bad when i stepped on it, if your willing to be so inconsiderate im not going to waste my manners on you).
the people shouting at the masq. were really annoying, with the prerecorded because you would miss parts and even for the ones that werent prerecorded just because their volume was so low, it was hard enough to hear them without all the obnoxious shout outs. those people work very hard to get there skits accurate and those shoutouts can ruin there whole, well worked rythem.
though there are still a good amount of decent people at cons, a lot of con goers are getting ruder by the year. i was molested once myself at the con this year (not wearing anything the least bit reveiling mind you, i wasnt even cosplaying at the time!) and had to deal with the uncomfortable feeling, anger, and disgust as i saw the guy that did it throughout the con. for the last 10 years i have been attending cons, i NEVER had anything happen like that. in another instance, someone asked to glomp me and i told them politely no, i had very complicated makeup and hair, and didnt want to risk hurting my cosplay, they didnt hesitate to call me an "[eff]ing [c word]" and walk away.....0o'
and this is another thing i notice with cons anymore these days, why its getting less enjoyable to talk to people, because alot of the time the opening conversation goes like this "hi my name is ______, and i know alot more then you do" why does it have to be a competition? i cosplay, and just because i dress as a character from a certain series doesnt exactly mean that ive seen every episode thus far, but that doesnt make me any less a fan, and that doesnt mean your better then me. i hate that some people actually have this logic worked out in there head that if you dont know absolutely everything about an anime or a character, that you have no room to cosplay them. thats just overboard...
~aoi

[info]zandperl

February 21 2006, 13:13:46 UTC 6 years ago

Con Rules

Katsucon, like most conventions has rules. (They apparently aren't very good at enforcing them however.) For example, in their "Ejection From The Convention" category, they say

The following activities, amongst others at the Convention Chairman's discretion, will result in the summary dismissal of involved conventioneers from the convention, so please don't do them!
...Physical and Sexual Harassment (this also include molestation)


It's probably worth having you and everyone else who had issues write a letter to the Katsucon staff expressing your displeasure. They may be unaware that these things are taking place, they may just need more security staff and have been putting it off because they wanted to try and save money. Your comment could be the one to make things change. And next time it happens, don't hesitate to call over security staff to complain.

[info]theimp79

February 21 2006, 15:20:04 UTC 6 years ago

Re: Con Rules

I agree that the lack of enforcement can be frustrating.
However, working professional security outside of the convention, and working for medical at the convention, I can tell you that the largest part of the problem with lack of enforcement in regards to molestation stems from a lack of reporting said crimes.
Believe me, I understand from experience that it is humiliating, and demeaning, and extremely difficult to talk about. That said, no one can do anything unless they know about the problem. If a victim is uncomfortable reporting said crime, arrangements can be made to accomodate them. If a young female doesn't want to tell that big scary looking security guy that she was molested, she can ask for a female to speak to. There are safe, secure places you can go to talk about what happened. Medical can also assist victims in these cases at con. I personally dealt with a case 2 conventions ago.
Please, please, please encourage your friends, loved ones, etc. to report these crimes immediately! After the fact, we cannot apprehend the person, unless you know exactly who they are.
In regards to handling the situation without having a complaint filed, unless someone who witnesses a "groping" knows that it is unwanted, they can't really do anything about it. And probably, people wouldn't want us to. If you are hugging your friends, you probably don't want several security staffers coming up to you and asking if you are being molested. I know that physical touching occurs all the time at con, and sometimes it's really hard to tell if it's unsolicited or unwanted.

[info]yduras

6 years ago

[info]ramune_rabbit

February 21 2006, 14:43:57 UTC 6 years ago

Sorry to hear that there were a number of bad nuts in the bunch this year. I don't think this is limited to just the con, as I think humans as a whole has lost the concept of manners and etiquette. I find it very disheartening when BOTH young and old, don't know how to act in certain environments. As for myself, I have never attended Katsucon before, and would like to check it out next year if possible, but hearing things like this just makes the con as a whole look bad. Don't deprive everyone else of a good time, because the cosplayer didn't want their picture taken.

Maybe a new panel should take place at the cons. Common Sense 101 anyone?

[info]cutewishes

February 21 2006, 15:16:30 UTC 6 years ago

I'm going to agree that alot of anime fans are out of hand. Alot of them had me having an urge to punch or slap them in the face for being annoying/not following rules (IK don't think I'd do that for real, it just reflects how annoyed some people were getting me T_T).
They're like "OMG MARRY ME!!" to some guest....like I'll take Richard Cox for example. Girls were being fangirly toward him, like they asked him really stupid questions and he gave them a weird look like "wtf?" and moved on to someone else who had a real question, rather than a marriage proposal.

I must admit when I see friends of mine on stage @ the masq, I yell and scream, but thats usually when everyone claps @ the end of the skit, not yelling and whatnot during the thing, its irritating.

Also...some of the stuff people were doing was outrageous. Like these two people got up during the masq and were doing live yaoi -_-;;. Um....people...some control please?
Alot of today's anime fans are out of control and very immature, and need to have some self control.

And ramune rabbit, I'm all for a common sense panel XP.

Anonymous

February 21 2006, 17:50:19 UTC 6 years ago

Wow, I'm amazed my letter got so many responses.

Thanks to my friend Amy for putting this up, since I don't have an LJ myself. Also, thanks to Ananth for bringing it to people's attentions. Ananth is one of the coolest guys I've ever met and we had a great discussion about my tattoo, which is why he probably remembers me.

Just to clarify, I was the Sydney Losstarot walking around, and the fact that I was male led to my surprise at the ass-slapping and other crap.

So...yeah. Those're my views. And like I said, not an indictment of every Anime fan, just a general observation of a fair majority of them.

(P.S. Sorry Amy for all the e-mails you're likely receiving)

[info]myselftheliar

February 21 2006, 17:53:24 UTC 6 years ago

THIS WAS ALSO EMAILED TO ME

I mean yeah. no problem

Anonymous

February 21 2006, 19:30:44 UTC 6 years ago

sadly, i suspect that the people that are the subject of your comments above are also the kind that will never be bothered to read all of your post - so it'll completely pass them by
which is a shame

Anonymous

February 21 2006, 19:41:50 UTC 6 years ago

Please e-mail me about the con staff problem...

I would like to hear about your issue with the con staff, so please e-mail me at colette@katsucon.org and let me know your concerns, thanks!

--Colette H. Fozard, Vice Chair, Administration

[info]juntasan

February 21 2006, 19:44:39 UTC 6 years ago

whoa, okay admittedly unlike all who've posted i'm from the UK and havent been to a Katsucon (or infact any US con) yet, and although it was getting tempting to maybe try next year or the year after, this is just not encouraging at all.

UK cons are smaller (well theres usually one 1000-1300 person once a year, with a couple of permanent smallish ones of 200 or 450 people respectively) and ive only been to 3 so far(over 2 years with another 1 this year), and i think i can safely say although we have a couple of people doing similar stuff, it seems to be on a much smaller scale....(well up to about 10-20 out of 1000 is, what, 1-2%).


minor aside: as for your friend doing Sydnet Losstarot, isnt that one of the characters from Vagrant Story? long white/blondeish hair, full gauntlet arms with spiked fingers and the Bloody Sin 6-armed cross tattoo on his back? a game i'd sadly hoped to see more people cosplay from.

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[info]mephron

February 21 2006, 20:57:17 UTC 6 years ago

I enjoyed Katsucon this year far more than last year. Maybe it's just the fact that I've gone to A-kon so many times, and then DragonCon last year, but I've learned to ignore the stupids. (I admit openly that having my hotel room on a place I could walk to without using any fire stairs - the 2000 wing - was a big part of that. No having to worry about elevators was a good thing.)

I also was at the Lady Snowblood showing, as was a previous poster, and the people who came in and disrupted the ending annoyed me to no end.

The one issue I really had was with the people sitting or clotting around in the corridors. If it wasn't that I habitually look down a little, I would probably have trampled or kicked a few people. Add the sudden moments when a group of people would just stop dead in a corridor and you have a recipe for potential disaster. (Yes, I'm one of the Big Guy kinds of fans; inertia and I are close friends; people stopping faster than I can means problems.)

But I also want to give the positive comments, too, while I'm here.
  • The Dealer's room was cleaner than damn near any I've seen in years, in terms of organization and aisle width. The speed at which it opened and let people in on Friday also impressed me.

  • I screwed up my pre-reg, so I expected a horrific line for registration; not only was there very little line, what there was moved at an insane speed and got done fast. (The fact I a) paid cash and b) had exact change probably helped me get through.)

  • The hotel screwed up my reservations, first telling me that the block was sold out back in December. There were some missed communications, but when it got sorted out by the hotel liason (Ms. Fozzard above, I believe), it was DONE. Cannot ask for a better response from con staff. (I never did find her; I must find out if the PO Box is still open, as I made a point of buying a token of appreciation for her hard work and never delivered it.)

  • A full slate of things going on. I was hard-pressed to find something I didn't want to do at nearly any point (...okay, except the video rooms at midnight, I admit that... dodging the hentai is always good).

[info]acexkeikai

February 22 2006, 05:02:07 UTC 6 years ago

I totally agree with you, your report is being passed along the Anime North staffers so we can try and eliviate some of those behavior. Thank you very much for posting your feelings about the whole thing. I agree that manners have been lacking with Anime Fans. I could tell a few stories myself.

[info]le_grenade

February 22 2006, 06:59:16 UTC 6 years ago

This sounds pretty shocking. I'm in New Zealand, and basically our cons are TINY - much as we are, hehe. But I still notice it - and I don't want to get flamed for this (but I'm probably asking for it)...

Otakus are idiots. There, I said it. Anime fans? Fine! I love you guys! Personally, the word "otaku" carries a sense of supreme annoyance with it now; basically rude fans who are totally obsessed and have no life - the problem here is that they don't know how to deal with people, it seems! This brings on the lack of basic courtesy, random glomping, etc. I'm a cosplayer, and I'd love to go to some of the US conventions, maybe do a con circuit one year or something - but I have a question. Say somebody tackleglomped me in the halls and broke part of my costume, or maybe winded me or otherwise injured me - if I snapped at them or something, what sort of response would I get from everybody else? Would they start yelling at me, or would I get some support from the general vicinity?
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